Comments on: Is it really Holocaust denial? http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/ Creative Illumination Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:10:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Adib http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/#comment-11737 Adib Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:18:19 +0000 http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/#comment-11737 Your comment makes me wonder if you read my whole post. First of all, the purpose of Hitler's army was obviously not only to eradicate Jews since, according to accepted numbers, nearly as many non-Jews died as Jews. Perhaps it is irrelevant to argue how many were killed, but something being irrelevant doesn't make it wrong. Look at my example. Far more people died in the African slave trade than in the holocaust, yet western scholars often go to great lengths to "analyze the numbers." Why is it so different when it comes to the holocaust? You are right, it does not justify occupation of Palestine, but that is exactly what the Zionists have used it for, and the majority of the western world has been duped into accepting this false justification. There is no question that the Holocaust was horrible and wrong, but it is even more horrible and wrong to cheapen the millions of lives lost in the Holocaust by exploiting its real meaning for the purpose of oppressing others. Your comment makes me wonder if you read my whole post. First of all, the purpose of Hitler’s army was obviously not only to eradicate Jews since, according to accepted numbers, nearly as many non-Jews died as Jews. Perhaps it is irrelevant to argue how many were killed, but something being irrelevant doesn’t make it wrong.

Look at my example. Far more people died in the African slave trade than in the holocaust, yet western scholars often go to great lengths to “analyze the numbers.” Why is it so different when it comes to the holocaust?

You are right, it does not justify occupation of Palestine, but that is exactly what the Zionists have used it for, and the majority of the western world has been duped into accepting this false justification.

There is no question that the Holocaust was horrible and wrong, but it is even more horrible and wrong to cheapen the millions of lives lost in the Holocaust by exploiting its real meaning for the purpose of oppressing others.

]]> By: Yusuf http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/#comment-11686 Yusuf Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:27:02 +0000 http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/#comment-11686 The holocaust is considered exclusive Jewish tragedy is because the purpose of Hitler's army was to eradicate Jews. Furthermore, it's actually very bad public policy for Iran to hold a conference on holocaust. It's irrelevant to argue how many millions were killed. The fact is millions of Jews were targeted by Hitler simply for being Jews. Of course, this does not justify Zionist occupation of Palestine, but to defend Iran for holding the ‘holocaust conference’ is naïve. The holocaust is considered exclusive Jewish tragedy is because the purpose of Hitler’s army was to eradicate Jews. Furthermore, it’s actually very bad public policy for Iran to hold a conference on holocaust. It’s irrelevant to argue how many millions were killed. The fact is millions of Jews were targeted by Hitler simply for being Jews. Of course, this does not justify Zionist occupation of Palestine, but to defend Iran for holding the ‘holocaust conference’ is naïve.

]]> By: lenoxus http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/#comment-10013 lenoxus Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:19:12 +0000 http://www.lanterntorch.com/afterthought/422/is-it-really-holocaust-denial/#comment-10013 I appreciate what you're saying about getting to the bottom of things, but I hope you understand that part of what makes the Holocaust so different from other atrocities is that it is the ultimate disproof of any notions of a Jewish conspiracy (because why would Jews allow the extermination of themselves?). Unlike other forms of racism, the notion of a "secret control" is very key to most antisemitism; whereas people who hate blacks accept that slavery happened and (at least covertly) regard it as just, those who hate Jews do not say that the Holocaust was a real and "good" event, because this would undermine the evidence for a grand Zionist New World Order. (Note that they tend to the same things — "no Jews died" — even with offenses not explicitly targeted at Jews, such as 9/11. That's how big the Conspiracy is supposed to be — protecting every known Jew at all times. Sheesh.) This is why people tend to balk so at ANY attempt to declare exaggeration with regards to the Holocaust — it's too difficult to separate genuine inquiry from the pain of denial after denial. And when you think about it, what purpose or reason does Ahmadinejad really have to do this? Isn't this more the task of a scholar than a world leader, seeing as it shouldn't (in principle) affect policy? I agree that however Israel behaves now should be more or less regardless of the horrors of the past, save when it comes to the real culprits; that said, it is precisely because of those horrors that a haven must be preserved at as low a life cost (e.g. 0) as possible. I appreciate what you’re saying about getting to the bottom of things, but I hope you understand that part of what makes the Holocaust so different from other atrocities is that it is the ultimate disproof of any notions of a Jewish conspiracy (because why would Jews allow the extermination of themselves?). Unlike other forms of racism, the notion of a “secret control” is very key to most antisemitism; whereas people who hate blacks accept that slavery happened and (at least covertly) regard it as just, those who hate Jews do not say that the Holocaust was a real and “good” event, because this would undermine the evidence for a grand Zionist New World Order. (Note that they tend to the same things — “no Jews died” — even with offenses not explicitly targeted at Jews, such as 9/11. That’s how big the Conspiracy is supposed to be — protecting every known Jew at all times. Sheesh.)

This is why people tend to balk so at ANY attempt to declare exaggeration with regards to the Holocaust — it’s too difficult to separate genuine inquiry from the pain of denial after denial. And when you think about it, what purpose or reason does Ahmadinejad really have to do this? Isn’t this more the task of a scholar than a world leader, seeing as it shouldn’t (in principle) affect policy? I agree that however Israel behaves now should be more or less regardless of the horrors of the past, save when it comes to the real culprits; that said, it is precisely because of those horrors that a haven must be preserved at as low a life cost (e.g. 0) as possible.

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